October 1, 2008

IconWhy do lesbians love gay man porn?

There’s a guilty secret in the lesbian community. Tell your friends or lovers and you’ll risk being ridiculed, disbelieved and shunned. But sometimes, just sometimes, you’ll get the same confession back, a whispered admission of the lust that dare not speak its name.

So no more secrets, no more shame. It’s time to face the issue of why lesbians love gay man porn.

Not everyone loves pornography, of course. For some people it’s embarrassing, disgusting, offensive or just plain boring. But for everyone else, there’s every possible kind of sex you can imagine. Indeed, according to Rule 34 of the internet: ‘if you can imagine it, there is porn of it’. And yet, in this sticky mess of humping, grinding, throbbing and quivering, many lesbians seem to purposefully ignore lesbian porn and go straight for the man-on-man action instead. What’s going on?

Bad lesbian porn

The first problem in watching lesbian porn is that the vast majority of it is painfully straight, and not at all meant for lesbians. It’s not so much the hair extensions, fake breasts or bored expressions that give it away; more like the long, scraping fingernails. Oh wait, one more clue – the ubiquitous dude who’s enthusiastically welcomed in to give the girls what they’ve been missing.

Watching your sexual identity being simultaneously misrepresented and belittled is not sexy. Neither is spending a too-large proportion of your life having to explain to straight men that yes you’re a lesbian, but contrary to porn expectations, this doesn’t give them a right to watch.

There is genuine lesbian porn made for queer women by queer women, but it’s hard to come by (in the practical sense at least).

Unless you know about queer/feminist sex-positive shops and you’re organised, wealthy and self-aware enough to buy your own, chances are your porn watching will be limited to awful videos belonging to friends, lovers or ex-lovers, late-night TV, or – most likely – whatever free stuff you can find on the internet. And for easily-accessible instant gratification, you can’t go wrong with gay man porn.

‘You can’t fake a hard on’

Of course there’s more reasons to watch gay man porn than sheer laziness. For a start, there’s the visceral impact on knowing that what you see is very much what someone’s about to get. Or, as Caz from Manchester explains, “It’s real – you can’t fake a hard on.”

Caz adds, “Guys really do get off on being in porn films, whereas mostly girls look unconvincing which makes it all a bit sad. And that’s not a turn on.” Porn films aren’t generally noted for their high quality acting skills, so anything that adds to the realism – such as a big boner – can help make up for distractingly awful dialogue, music or plot.

Writers at lesbian website Grace the Spot agree: “With gay male porn, the actors look like they’re having fun and enjoying sex. With all other types of porn, more often than not, it looks contrived, over-acted, unbelievable, ridiculous, or just plain unfun.”

Lack of women is liberating?

But lesbians, by definition, are sexually interested in women and not men. Even lesbians with bisexual leanings might be expected to prefer straight sex than watching muscley men thrusting together. So why do some of us find it hot to watch sex that doesn’t involve any women?

It may at first seem counter-intuitive, but the very fact that there are no women in gay man porn can remove a huge burden for some people. “The fact of female oppression through porn is a massive turn off and it’s hard to be convinced that girls in films are really enjoying themselves,” says Caz. “I find anything sexually aggressive towards women horrible.”

It’s not accurate to say that all pornography which involves women degrades them, but a huge proportion does involve situations or activities that can make for uncomfortable viewing. It doesn’t even have to involve actual sexual violence – even an offhand ‘slut’ or ‘bitch’ can bring in unwanted misogyny that ruins the mood, and there’s always a nagging worry that what’s happening on-screen could be linked to off-screen exploitation.

For some people this is reason enough to reject all pornography, whether it involves women or men. But not all porn is necessarily bad, believes Holly Combe, writer for the F-word and member of Feminists Against Censorship. “Objectification only becomes bad if it is complete and absolute rather than mutable and interchangeable,” she says.

Forbidden pleasures

Assuming we can safely discount penis envy as outdated Freudian twaddle, the answer to why lesbians enjoy gay man porn could partly lie in how we use pornography as a way to play around with genders and sexualities outside of our usual experience. Watching gay man sex on a screen or a magazine is a peek into a forbidden world that we’re usually excluded from. It’s taboo and exciting, but at the same time totally fake and entirely safe.

Even if you’ve never used a strap-on, had sex with a man or wanted to be a man, the human brain is such a marvellous thing that we can still identify with what’s going on, and get off on it. As Holly explains quite simply, “looking at attractive naked people getting it on is arousing.”

‘Women are sexual beings’

Whether you’re into lesbian porn, gay man porn or no porn at all, no one should be made to feel ashamed of their sexual desires. “Women are sexual beings,” say the Grace the Spot writers. “Women should not feel guilty watching porn. If some women are afraid to watch porn because of what others may think, then they are succumbing to yet another means of controlling women’s behaviour.”

Sexuality can be surprising, fluid and lead to some sticky situations. Don’t worry about whether or not liking gay man porn makes you a bad lesbian. Just lie back – or bend over – and enjoy it.

106 Responses to Why do lesbians love gay man porn?

  1. Faith says:

    Ok, I’m just going to put it out there – I have never found gay male porn evem slightly appealing!

  2. Faith says:

    …those cupcakes look good though

  3. Lisa says:

    have to agree with you there Faith.. cupcakes.. lovely.. manbits… less so!

  4. Kia says:

    I’ve never been turned on by the hardcore stuff, but I definitely nurtured some fantasies about romping around the mountains with the Brokeback boys. Both of them. At once.

  5. brainsnapper says:

    ok..here goes….i admit it…i like to watch guys doing it. this has always been one of my little secrets. i always felt weird that it turned me on…..but i couldnt wait to have sex with my girlfriend afterward.

  6. Anastasia says:

    Actual gay porn… not for me at all. But I do absolutely adore “Queer as Folk USA”, and prefer the male couples to the female ones (I suppose I just can’t relate to the ‘lesbian’ couple at all, as they’re not very convincing and look totally hetero to me). For me though, sex isn’t very interesting unless it’s part of a romance story. And I like happy endings!

  7. Burtalson says:

    Yep, this article hit the nail on the head. Everything I’ve ever said about why we love gay porn is in here. We knew we couldn’t be the only ones!
    Me and my girlfriend even swap gay porn with the guys next door, and give recommendations.

  8. Bren Ryder says:

    I make the real lesbian porn that the article says is “hard to come by” and I actually tend to prefer watching the scenes that I’m in.

    I guess it’s easy to picture myself in the scene – ’cause I actually am in the scene.

    My mission:
    Make sure lesbians know about this type of porn that does exist.
    And…
    To inspire others to make more of it so that we can have a variety of real dyke porn available.

    What can I do to spread…the word about good porn for dykes?

    Bren Ryder
    http://www.GoodDykePorn.com

  9. Geri says:

    Sorry, but there really is an awful lot of tripe written about porn. And this is a fine example of tripe you’ve written right here:

    “The first problem in watching lesbian porn is that the vast majority of it is painfully straight, and not at all meant for lesbians. It’s not so much the hair extensions, fake breasts or bored expressions that give it away; more like the long, scraping fingernails. Oh wait, one more clue – the ubiquitous dude who’s enthusiastically welcomed in to give the girls what they’ve been missing.”

    Why?

    Well, the kind of porn you’re describing here where two women are having sex and a guy turns up and joins in the fun – that isn’t lesbian porn. It isn’t even “lesbian porn for men”. Not in any shape or form. It’s just straightforward, honest to god straight porn. Girl-on-Girl action is a ubiquitous component of most straight porn because most men are turned on by it – and most female porn stars are bisexual enough to oblige the boys with a lezzy show. Those women in scenes like that aren’t meant to be lesbians. They’re just meant to be regular women. And in pornoland all women are bisexual didnt you know? – unless they’re lesbians that is. There’s no such thing as straight porn where you are guaranteed to see no girl-on-girl activity whatsoever – not eeven straight porn for women. “Straight girls” who won’t have sex with girls simply aren’t really a viable porn niche. There’s no significant market for them.

    There is a small minority of female porn stars who refuse to do any girl-girl stuff but in most cases where they have their own website they will include some bonus content with other women doing girl-girl on their sites – or cross sell with other sites that have that content.

    “Lesbian” porn that is “all girl” – i.e. no men in at all – has been available in vast quantities for decades. The reason for this is, believe it or not, there are plenty of lesbophile men who don’t like to see any cock in their porn. Some of these guys don’t even like to see a strapon.

    Of course if you’re a dyke who isn’t into femme-femme then you’ll find most of this stuff difficult to relate to, especially if you’re one of those dykes who still clings on stereotypical notions of what queer women should look like. Gay man porn will quite likely suit you better.

    There is a real shortage of butch and bois type dykey looking women in porn. One of the owners of one of the top queer women owned lesbian porn websites based in the USA told me recently that they have real problems finding butches to work with them. It’s much easier to find femmes – especially bi-femmes who tend to like other bi-femmes.

    And guess what? A lot of those hot guys in gay man porn aren’t gay. They’re bi – and quite often the straight side of bi, or “gay for pay” as many of them like to put it. Quite a lot of them are married to women that they have kids with. Men generally get paid a lot more for performing in gay porn than they do for doing straight porn Being “bi-flexible” is real asset if you want to pursue a career in porn – whether you’re female or male. And if you’re a hot transsexual (chick with a dick) you can make an absolute fortune.

  10. Geri says:

    Hey Bren!

    How’s it going?

    I’m the Geri from RLPN who does my best to promote GoodDykePorn dot com and other lesbian4lesbian porn websites and erotica for queer women. And thanks for linking back to us btw!

    I was feeling fairly pissed-off when I wrote my previous comment I’ll admit – although I basically stand by everything I said in it.

    Pissed off why? Well by this “hard to come by” business. Because if you google “dyke porn” Bren’s site is number one. If you google “real lesbian porn” my website is number one. And if you google just “lesbian porn” my site is generally to be found in the top 12. It keeps moving up and down. It’s been as high as number 6. We were number one on yahoo last time I checked.

    So, sorry but “hard to come by” – just not true anymore. All you have to do is look.

    I’ve got nothing whatsoever against any women enjoying gay man porn btw. But if you’re a lesbian who says you buy gay male porn because you can’t find any real lesbian porn then I do have an issue with that, because I strongly suspect that you’re just not looking for it.

  11. Fuegofuego says:

    to geri and bren… thats great that you do real lesbian porn, but not everyone looks at porn on the net and so if you’re not online and in a shop or whatever its still hard to come by. just sayin! :-)

  12. Geri says:

    Good point Fuegofuego. When it comes to shopping in shops availability depends totally on where you live. The wonderful thing about the Net is that availability depends much, much less on where you live.

    I can only cater to those who have Internet access. However I’d like to point out that as long as you are able/willing to purchase online I do cater for people who have a slow connection &/or prefer to buy dvds, vhs etc. You can also buy books, magazines, sex toys, calendars, posters, fine prints, novelty items – all sorts of fun and interesting lezzy and other sexy stuff – including gay man porn :) – via the links on my website. I also have a quite a lot of free picture, video, and story content + lots of links to dating and community services for lesbians and bisexual women.

    I don’t know precisely why “On Our Backs” – the original porn magazine for lesbians – stopped publishing a few years ago. But I’m sure one of the main reasons must have been down to economics. I don’t know if it is economically feasible at all to produce such a publication on paper any more. I think it would be a brave company that tried it. Even porn magazines for men are considering, or actually starting , to give up on the print run and just publish online. Playgirl – for straight women and queer men has gone over to online publication only already.

  13. Faith says:

    Geri you sound like you find porn very liberating?

  14. Bren Ryder says:

    Geri,

    You are an amazing porn ambassador!

    love,
    Bren

  15. Gold says:

    All I have to say about this article is “What?”

    I’m not interested in watching gay men have sex, nor have I ever been. It’s fine if that’s your thing, but why write an article implying that most lesbian are drooling over men having sex?

    For one thing, good queer porn has been around since On Our Backs was published. Yes, it’s harder to come by (but not come to, little pun there), but it’s still out there. Failing that, at least bad, male-made, male-targeted lesbian and heterosexual porn has women in it. How could I get off to something with no females in it at all? I know sexuality is a nuanced and complicated thing, but… I’m a lesbian. I find women erotic. No women? Not erotic.

  16. Geri says:

    “Geri you sound like you find porn very liberating?”

    Strange as it may sound Faith I’ve personally found that porn broadens the mind. It also took me on a journey which helped me greatly in coming to terms with my own bisexuality.

  17. Geri says:

    “Geri,

    You are an amazing porn ambassador!

    love,
    Bren”

    Thank you so much for those kind words Bren!

    It was a great thrill when I discovered your web site and really quite satisfying to know that I had already managed to make a modest space on the Internet where I could immediately start to promote it to some reasonable effect.

    I’m still by no means satisfied with the number of joins I get for you though. I will, and must do better.

  18. Geri says:

    “All I have to say about this article is “What?” ”

    I think the point is Gold that queer women are a sexually and emotionally very diverse group of people.

    You mention On Our Backs here and Cyber Dyke Net in a comment on Kia’s porn round up article. You must surely be aware that by no means all the women involved in CyDy and OOB are exclusively homosexual?

    I feel that the queer women who get off on “gay man” porn, including the ones who actually seriously identify as lesbian, are bisexual on some level, whether they care to admit it or not. Feeling that does not mean I think that women in this group are all people who could be happy sharing their life with any partner who is a biological male – even a very rare and/or feminine one. I would say that would be the case for some and not for others.

    It was on one of CyDy’s web sites that I first saw Buck Angel – the world’s most famous transman porn star. I’d be surprised if you yourself fancied him at all. But Zille does. Then, she is openly bisexual, and so is Buck (like many trans people).

  19. Gold says:

    Thanks for responding, Geri.

    I never implied that Cyber-Dyke was exclusively homosexual, nor would it be ‘superior’ if it were. I approved of your list and thought I would add a few more items to it that contain good porn, that’s all.

    I find nothing wrong with what you’re saying at all, but I do get tired of being told my sexuality is ‘fluid’ and of the delight people seem to take in talking about how females are secretly lusting over men no matter how gay they are.

    Of course there is room for queerness of all stripes, but one of those stripes is the one reserved for exclusive, Kinsey 6 homosexuals, even female ones. I feel the need to remind the world at large that we exist, as well.

    I hope you understand that when you write an article like this, to people like me it seems that you’re implying every lesbian, everywhere, is interested in masturbating to men: “It’s time to face the issue of why lesbians love gay man porn.” I am not saying that lesbians who masturbate to men are ‘wrong,’ I am saying that not all of them do.

    It feels strange to be asking this on a lesbian blog, but please give my sexuality some consideration as well.

  20. Kathy Dana says:

    I love gay man porn! I think it’s mostly because it’s exciting– I can never partake in the real thing. It’s just something to admire from afar.

    I’m pansexual, though, and not *technically* a lesbian. But that really doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things, because I do like women, a lot, and I am not a man.

    Also, FREE real lesbian porn is extremely hard to come by.

    You can always tell a fake lesbian porno if:
    1: tongues are out in the open wiggling around like some insane fish
    2: The “hair flip” is present: where all lesbian action stops as soon as someone’s hair gets in the way, and five seconds are needed to fix it. (not an attack on femme-itude. Just an observation.)
    3: There is a lot of high-pitched, breathy moaning when nothing exciting is happening…

    Etc. Etc. I’ve been to the lesbian4lesbian sites mentioned here, but they all cost money. Does anyone know of any free sites out there?

  21. Geri says:

    Hi Kathy Dana

    Re: “I’ve been to the lesbian4lesbian sites mentioned here, but they all cost money. Does anyone know of any free sites out there?”

    My site, which has been mentioned here, has quite a lot of free samples on it. It’s easy to find. Just google “Real Lesbian Porn”.

    The free samples are just that of course – samples that are there to promote and make sales for the sites that cost money. And it costs those sites and me money to make this content available for free.

    Quick Reality Check. If porn-loving queer women want lesbian4lesbian porn to continue to exist, and to grow and develop, then they have to be prepared to support it financially. We can’t just expect the men who appreciate it to make it financially viable to produce.

    Gay man porn doesn’t rely on women, queer or straight, to keep it financially viable. It relies on queer men. It always has, and it always will.

    If my site is no longer online this time next year there will be just one reason why that is. It certainly won’t be because I just got bored with the whole thing.

  22. Ann says:

    I think it’s also a turn on because I, in particular, just like the idea of sex between two human beings of the same sex. It turns on my body and exites my soul. And I’m bisexual. And if I watch porn it has to be gay, either way.

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  24. anna says:

    Ok– I adore gay porn– is this really something new.There are always cute boys who’ll put on a show for moma, right? And the str8 bait variety is my fav …

  25. Really interesting thread!

    One of my favorite things about porn, and I watch a lot of it working in the industry, is how it opens my mind to things I never considered before. I’m a lesbian, never been with a man and have no intentions of doing so, but I’ve found that I enjoy watching men with men, men with women, trannie porn, just about anything…

    Someone previously mentioned that they suspect people like me are probably secretly bisexual, but I think i’m just not afraid to embrace the images and acts that turn me on. Hot sex is hot sex… Of course, I do believe that sexuality is more fluid than most people think, so I’m not knocking her opinion either. I can only vouch for me!

    There was a really accessible article in the NY Times a few weeks back called “What is Female Desire” that I suggest people look up if they’re interested in knowing the science behind it a little more. The best part is that the focal point, Meredith Chivers, is baffled by her own research that measures levels of arousal in all genders. She found that no matter how women identify in regards to sexual orientation, that they become aroused watching all kinds of pornography, unlike men. Of course, they often lied about what they found arousing, but the body doesn’t lie!

    It’s not a comprehensive study and I find faults with the article, but it is an interesting read regarding this discussion.

  26. Dish says:

    I love butch cock. There isn’t a lot of lesbian porn that features unabashed and unembarrassed butch cock (Bren Ryder & Shine Louise Houston’s the Crash Pad series are the few exceptions).

    I sometimes watch both gay porn and hetero straight porn (straight “lesbian porn” is simply an oxymoron to be avoided at the costs) because it is the closest to real butch cock that completely turns me on. I don’t like watching straight girls wearing dildos fucking unaroused straight girls clearly for male enjoyment, I like seeing intense sexy butches hard fucking femmes with their cocks – a totally different experience.

    And, let me add, I have never fucked men and have NO desire to do so, gay or straight.

  27. Regina says:

    I have loved man-on-man porn since a girlfriend turned me on to it about 15 years ago. I usually tell friends about this for shock value. I have enjoyed hearing from other queer women that they also like gay porn.

    I like it for a lot of the reasons mentioned above. I can identify with the guy penetrating and the guy being penetrated. It is a definite turn-on.

    May sound weird, but I have gotten used to watching gay porn for so long that I feel a little resistent to the idea of trying lesbian porn. Seems I either like gay men or super-femme lesbian or bisexual women. Sexuality sure is fascinating!

  28. Izzy says:

    Okay, I can understand why lesbians would like this. But I’m afraid, the site of a penis makes me throw up a little in my mouth.

    Sorry but that is the truth. I don’t really find any porn to my taste.

  29. karen says:

    The stereotyping on this site is more nauseating than all the uncensored wang in the world, and coming from me, that’s really saying something. Got a problem with long nails? C’mere, lemme stab your eyes out with mine, so you don’t have to look at my horrible, horrible femininity anymore!

  30. LizA says:

    Like a few others have said, I actually find penises (penii? meh) somewhat repulsive – at best, I don’t find men’s genitals attractive.

    Mind you, I’ve nothing against women – gay, bi or straight – who do. I’m very much aware that what may attract you on a computer screen, in a magazine or as a third party does not, in any way, mean you are interested in being a participant.

    Still, I’ve never watched “true” lesbian porn. I’ve stuck with hetero porn (at least the woman seems to enjoy it – usually) or “fake” lesbian porn. Tried male-gay porn, didn’t like it.

    Until today, I didn’t even know there was “true” lesbian porn. I’m not overly interested in porn, mind. I looked, hard, but I approach porn like many approach technology: with trepidation, and without expecting all that much. I type “porn” into Google and root around the first sites I see. As you can probably guess, those’d be male-orientated sites and wouldn’t hold proper lesbian porn. So I end up giving up! Haha.

  31. LizA says:

    By “who do”, I meant: “who watch male-gay porn”, rather than “who find male genitals attractive”. Sorry!

  32. felix says:

    I can’t belive that a group of people who are so often misunderstood and not accepted for who or what they are, are squabbling and being just as unaccepting over something as stupid as the porn others like to watch. You do all realise that there are people out there who whach porn that involes donkeys right? and I really didn’t want to single any other post out because I was pretty sure that would just start another round of bickering but I noticed that someone said that any lesbian who whatched gay man porn was bisexual wether they thought so or not and I’d just like to point out that we get enough of people telling us what we are and why we’re not what we say we are without doing it to each other.
    Oh and PS yeah I’m one of those lesbians who watch gay porn, and I’d certainly never let a man put his penis anywhere near me :)

  33. Demi says:

    great article. Im one of those gay women (ive never ever been attracted to a man) who like to watch gay porn. i thought it was weird too…but this article reassures me-im not alone!
    why do i watch it?
    well yeah, first of all.. lesbian porn u find here is way too fake, way too straight.
    Also, Gay men porn is..exciting, forbidden, sthg that, as a woman, i will never get to know (not that i want to..), and that makes it arousing. I am used to soft, tender, love making with my girlfriend, and seein some violent hardcore gay men sex just turns me on.. althou it doesnt mean that id want it any other way with my girlfriend, its perfect as it is :)

  34. Amanda says:

    I must say as a lesbian, I do enjoy watching gay man porn. I would never admit this to other lesbians or straights in person because they will quickly assume I’m bi. And that’s not even the case, I’m a lesbian, but it’s something more exciting than what lesbian porn has! I would love to watch more lesbian porn, I honestly would, yet it’s too fake! They are usually the typical Barbie doll, with long-loud colored fingernails, girly-girls appearance, long hair, drag-queenish make-up. Where is all the natural and believable ladies in these porns! And another thing I would love to see more of is stud-femme action in porns. It’s always the femme ladies having fun, but when can some fans of porn see the stud-femme action???

  35. k8 says:

    I admit it too I like watching man on man action!!! Bring on ur Dante’s Peak and QAF anytime but given a choice girl on girl will always take presidence obviously. I think its cuz I am butch and like to gender bend I dunno I sumtimes envy these gay boys like the above article they look like they r loving every minute and is that not wot porn is supposed to be? enjoyable for both parties? well unless u r straight that is!!

  36. RG says:

    I’ve been an out lesbian since the tender age of 15. I am all for the world of lady love and have never once second-guessed my sexuality. Women are just so beautiful, it’s unreal. Now having said all that, I freely admit to only watching gay male porn.
    As strange as that sounds, I just can’t bring myself to enjoy the vast majority of straight, mainstream pornography. The so-called “lesbian” scenes in those movies are just pathetic. I would never subject my lover to half the crap they put those poor girls through. The fake licking, the smacking, the terrible dialogue, it’s simply too horrible for me to tolerate. And straight pornography is equally disgusting to me.
    I prefer gay male porn because the guys are pretty and they actually appear to be enjoying what they are doing. Now I’m not naive. I’ve seen documentaries on the porn industry and I’m fully aware that most men in those movies are “gay for pay.” But as long as they appear to be having a good time then I’m all for it.
    One thing I am curious about is the real lesbian porn that I’ve heard so much about. I’m rather vanilla and quite proud of it. I tend to watch pornography that doesn’t cater to fetishes. If I could find a few lesbian flicks that are simple and tasteful (no pun intended), I’m sure I’d work them into my porn régime.
    My one gripe about such videos is access. I have a porn shop less than a mile from where I reside and I know they don’t carry the lesbian videos I desire. And even if they did, I’m fairly positive I couldn’t afford them. Hell, I can’t even afford sex toys. I will admit that this is one great thing about gay male porn. I can Google it and about a bazillion sites come up, all with free full-length clips. If the world of porn wants to expand their market, I suggest doing a little advertising on some of those free sites. Provide folks like me with a little taste of what you got. In some cases you these sites even allow you to pay for the scenes you like. Shoot, even I’ve done that before. It’s like buying music on iTunes. Let me pick what I want and I know I’ll come back for more.

  37. Ami says:

    “There was a really accessible article in the NY Times a few weeks back called “What is Female Desire” that I suggest people look up if they’re interested in knowing the science behind it a little more. The best part is that the focal point, Meredith Chivers, is baffled by her own research that measures levels of arousal in all genders. She found that no matter how women identify in regards to sexual orientation, that they become aroused watching all kinds of pornography, unlike men. Of course, they often lied about what they found arousing, but the body doesn’t lie!”

    Other studies in that topic suggests women are aroused even by sex of apes. They also studied brain activity and that showed those women didn’t lied when they said they were not feeling aroused. Researchers now think this is just mechanism of automatical lubrication which is set by view of any sex, but have nothing to do with real feeling of sexual arousal.

  38. Great writeup! I know of several lesbian women who really do love gay porn. Not all the time, of course. ;)

  39. Leo says:

    OMG finally! I am NOT alone. I have been secretely watching gay porn for months now and I just find it amazing esp. when it’s two macho men f#@king eachother. Wtf? Weird bt nice.

  40. Sadie says:

    I have 2admit it, my love of gay man porn has been my dirty little secret 4years, only spoken about in drunken confessions and yes i did fear it made me some kind of freaky dyke! Gay sex is hot 2watch and im glad its not just me! Maybe i wont feel so ashamed in future.

  41. Gelfling says:

    There are times when I am amazed and frankly saddened by the amount of hatred for non mainstream opinions in the gay community and some of the reactions to this article once again show that intolerance can and will always be found in the community.
    Of you don’t like men porn, fine… you attack the author for generalizing and yet you assume that your tastes are those of all lesbians out there. It seems from many posts that they’re not. How about we live and let live?

    Wouldn’t it be a grand start to maybe someday being tolerated by others than we can tolerate ourselves and each other for our differences as we embrace each other for our simiarities.

  42. cheeky says:

    can we pls remember one thing ladies?….watching 2, or more, people having sex, and enjoying it (or doing a bloody good impression of enjoying it)…is damn sexy, irrespective of gender…i watch gay make, straight, and lesbian porn, love all of it, as long as it’s convincing in the pleasure stakes…(my guilty confession however, is i cannot watch male come shots…its the spunk that turns me off!!!

  43. misoretu says:

    Well, I’m transsexual lesbian and I must say gay men porn does nothing for me. I just wonder, if it’s because I have “male sexuality” after all, or those lesbians who like it are really bisexual at some level, and there’s some women (6 on Kinsey scale), who, just like me, feels nothing when they see sex of two guys.

  44. Mele says:

    Yyyeaahhh, I’m gonna go on record and say that gay male porn is the opposite of interesting to me. I like guys on a totally platonic level, but I don’t really find the majority of them, even most of the supposedly “hot” ones, physically attractive at all.

    I did find the comment about “the long, scraping fingernails” to be dead on, however. I by far think Karen above missed the point by a mile. I’m a fairly femme gal myself, but long nails to me simply look painful. I don’t think it was a remark about the fashion choices of femme women, but more the mechanics of having sharp and pointy implements jabbing at a vag. It’s been a complaint I’ve had about GoG scenes in straight porn for years now.

  45. Juanita says:

    Juanita!

  46. pontypool1 says:

    I’m a gay bloke, and find gay men’s porn, simply, too boring and predictable. It’s almost as if we are being dictated to as to what to watch… YAWN. Don’t even mention shaved pubes to me.. it’s just soo trendy, under the “guise” of “hygiene” (Yeah Right – Humankind obviously hasn’t died out because men & women didn’t shave pubes). I thought I was “hard done by”, but thinking about my “sisters” – (Lesbians), what on earth have they got to look at, whoops, I forgot, women don’t look at porn, especially Lesbians, do they… GEEEEZ, The gay/lesbian porn industry doesn’t know “Jack Shit”, it just assumes what we want, and “tough shit” if we don’t like it… After all, it’s still all about the Str8 man looking at a pubically shaved bimbo/dominatrix isn’t it, no one else matters… WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE porn makers, did I mention the pink Pound (dollar etc, etc)…

  47. Cancan says:

    Amazing…I find this article and all your comments very fascinating.

    All of you have made such great points.

    I too enjoy watching gay men porn, and am a full on lesbian. Lol it’s my “dirty little secret” as well.

    I remember a few years back when some lesbian friends of mine admitted to enjoying watching gay men porn, and I thought to myself “to each one’s own…but not for me.” Then, one day, one of my queer friends played a clip of some guy on guy action. From that day forward I couldn’t watch anything else but gay porn. Believe me, I’ve tried watching other lesbian porn. (And I never really enjoyed porn before that either.)
    It’s my dirty little thrill…I keep it a secret for the thrill of it lol.

  48. vanny says:

    I love gay porn! LOVE IT…its so raunchy and wrong…and its fun to role play and fantasize!
    As a woman who loves women…i can’t watch lesbian porn…its just gross
    The men seem really excited to be there…and they are equals ..thats the beauty of it
    In straight porn..you can’t help but feel that the women is being subjugated

  49. Kalxy says:

    I thought I was the only one ! ^^
    There’s a thing a really dislike in porn it’s oral sex, I just find it boring to watch and it disgusts me to see a girl swallowing or being covered with cum … I should go to lesbian porn but it’s even worse ! I don’t get the impression that those girl are really f*cking each other ! >.<
    Besides, I like to see someone being f*cked enjoying it, so gay porn is good for me, that’s it …

  50. Victoria says:

    I’m a lesbian, But I love Gay porn!!! lesbian porn is nasty to me..

  51. Sara says:

    I dont have penis envy but sometimes wish i had something there. I identify as a lesbian. I do not find men attractive at all. To be honest their bodies rupulse me, i know thats harsh but its true. Its true that lesbian porn is so straight and fake. Lesbians are under represented and still not accepted like the “gay man” so i think a lot of gay women could not get to see any kind of girl on girl type action to learn from it. I think porn is grosse and can never understandwhen people have collections of it. I would feel really unloved and un fancied if my partner needed to look at porn to get aroused

  52. Mily_G says:

    I stumbled across this article and I really am surprised to know that lots of lesbians enjoy gay porn, for what appears to be an oxymoron. Go figure! Gay porn is even more popular among straight women, like me. I LOVE gay porn with a passion, it just arouses me tremendously. Which it’s funny cos I started watching straight porn for a year and although I enjoyed it a lot, everything changed when I discovered gay porn to the point that this is the only porn I watch and gets me hot and wet and really horny every time. What’s more exciting and sexy for a woman to see not only one but TWO or MORE hot, hunky, rugged, masculine guys with hot bodies, gorgeous faces, and huge juicy shafts… sometimes making sweet, tender love and some other times f@#$ing the sh*t out of each other. Of course it’s what is forbidden what we love most sometimes, right?

  53. eg says:

    Okay so I have a question for the lesbians who might read this comment lol. I’m a straight girl. I’ve had two lesbian best friends in my life, one of which loved gay porn and one of which hated it. I love gay porn, but just to watch. It’s like a voyeur thing. It does turn me on but I don’t feel any urge to masturbate to it. When I want to masturbate I watch straight porn, focus for thirty seconds on the penis going in the vagina, then boom I’m done. But I just love to watch gay porn like it’s a tv show or something. So I was wondering if you guys are the same or if you actually masturbate to it? Maybe I just have a voyeur fetish!

    And by the way, considering myself pretty much an expert on gay porn, I would definitely not say that “most” of the actors are gay for pay. Far less than 50% but I guess it depends where you’re looking. And the best gay porn is from the guys who are really into it, like many have already said.

  54. Leigh says:

    It’s not the same. Do u really watch gay porn as a tv show? That’s…
    If CERTAIN les girls usually watched porn as a tv show they’d hav to sit with a towel under their buts or put plastic on their couches or something. IT TURNS YOU ON THAT MUCH!!

  55. sl says:

    So I just wanted to say, that reading this article and (most) of these comments has made me feel a LOT better, about my interest and arousal in gay male porn!

    I think a large part of it, as many people have aptly pointed out, is how much it is a pure FANTASY. In reality I want nothing to do with dicks ever, basically. I really HATE to think that people would use my enjoyment of gay male porn, as well as the (EXTREMELY) occasional flings I have had with men, as “evidence” that my sexuality is “fluid,” like all of a sudden I’ll wake up one day and get a serious boyfriend and marry a man. I DON’T see that happening, and I’d appreciate stereotypes about women’s sexuality being “fluid” and “changeable” to either be abolished, or applied to men as well.

    I’ve known a fair amount of men who consider themselves bisexual, too. But I for one am gay, and I really hope no one would try to tell me I’m not, just because I enjoy the fantasy and escapism of two gorgeous men getting it on!!!

    Incidentally, I have straight girl friends who really get off on lesbian porn, and they do not want girlfriends in real life.

  56. Jules says:

    I use to dig male porn… but I never bought any… I just found it arousing. I suppose I still do.

    And I didn’t like lesbian porn. Either it was made by dudes and there was way too much spit and dildo sucking or it was made by lesbians and hot girls are few and far between.

    I recently discovered Viv Thomas from clublez.com (the website that tells you all the actresses that have ever had a lesbian kiss scene in a tv show or movie). I must say, although made by a male… it’s not bad. The girls are hot and most are believable as lesbians. It’s definitely the best porn I’ve seen as of yet, though I’m no expert… it makes male porn seem just kinda not the same anymore. I much rather watch the beauty of a woman getting off. And as far as Viv Thomas… check out one of Jo’s (a chick) movies.

  57. Amanda says:

    I really hate lesbain porn because its not lesbian at all. If you type in lesbian porn on the internet you would get straight mens fantasies of two women. Lesbians are under represented and still seen a pleasure for men. I really hate when dildos look like a penis all vein looking and gross. I really hate mens bodies and i cant bear their genitals. Womens sexuality is still taboo so you will not find lesbian porn or porn for women in general just anywhere like you do for men. Its funny how gay men are accepted as gay men but lesbians are never taken seriously and men still think you want them. No offence to men but i cant bear them sexually.

  58. Laura says:

    I love gay-themed movies and are extremely turned on (and touched and happy, at the same time) by the sight of two men kissing, embracing and the simulation of them having sex.

    However, I’m never turned on by gay porn. I’m not repulsed at all, either, but it feels too alien for me, like my womanly desire has no place there (I know that’s probably ridiculous, but it’s how I feel), so it leaves me rather cold, both sexually and emotionally.

    I’ve come across some lesbian porn videos (in straight porn sites) which were probably crafted for heterosexual men but were very tastefully produced and the women there looked like they at the very least had a good time doing it. They usually were one-shot videos, about 30 mins (or more) long, and the first half was basically spent kissing, caressing (non-genital caresses) and looking at one another. The “g-o-g action” itself was devoid of dildos, dramatic displays of orgasmic hysteria, etc. My male friends found them terribly boring, without exception, although they all fancied the girls (who, by the way, wore virtually no makeup, no heels and were over 25, but they were rather canonical nevertheless). I thought they were great! I even remember that you could hear distant, muffled coughing behind the camera in one of them and it was a female voice, which I thought was a nice detail.

  59. anon says:

    I’ve always loved gay man porn.. but I’m really picky with it. The guys have to be feminine enough. It’s the yaoi that always gets me. This is the first time i’ve heard that other lesbians liking gay man porn- its good to know i’m not alone! :]

  60. natitsr says:

    I am curious and would like to ask a few questions.

    Lesbians hate straight/lesbian porn because they think these porn are fake and woman are subjugated. But why do lesbians perceive that gay porn actors truly enjoy the process of sex while actresses of straight/lesian porn are faking the pleasure? A gay man doing a gay man does not mean necessary mean they enjoy it, as in the case of straight man and woman.

    Finally I hate to say this and no offence, but please be honest. Is there a factor of “penis envy” inside this? Do lesians gain emotional satisfaction when they see that male possessing penises and traditionally play a dominant role, can actually be dominated and subjugated by another person?

  61. TruthBeTold says:

    Umm..excuse me but if you are gay why in Gods name would you wanna see the opposite sex? that makes no sense. That is the whole reason why a woman is gay, she doesn’t like penis or men at all. I think a lot of females are fucked in the head. Like why would a gay girl get with a girl that looks like a man? makes no sense, just get with a man then DUH!. Why do some gay girls use dildos when they hate penis? does that make any fucking sense? OMFG this world is messed up in so many ways it is scary and sad. You don’t see gay guys using pocket pussies on each other. 99% of girls are brain fucked and need help!

  62. anon says:

    TruthBeTold, I think you’re the one who brain f**ked. There’s a whole lot of difference between a butch woman and a man. Gender is not just about looks and clothes! It’s about the whole emotional, mental and romantic connection which is different in women and men, butch women are still physically underneath!. And dilos are not penises, in case you hadnt noticed, they’re t o y s! Women use them because it feels good, not because they want a penis! And not all gay girls go with girls because they hate penis… but because they like girls. Consider, if 99% of girls are messed up, according to you… it’s probably just you! As a butch, I object to being called a man, mentally, emotionally and underneath my clothes, I’m all woman!

  63. OhMyGoddess says:

    TruthBeTold, are you a head case? Wow, I thought I heard it all as far as ignorance goes. But THAT definitely takes the prize for the stupidest thing I’ve heard. SMH. I enjoy gay porn and surprisingly so does my wife. Nothing to be ashamed of.

  64. JP says:

    Interesting comments, and I’m sure I will be getting some feedback for what I’m about to post lol. I am a female and I have been with my girl for over 11 years now we still have sex like it is going out of style and we are still in love like we met each other yesterday :) . I don’t like to label myself at all because I think labels are so damn ridiculous, I like who I like and that’s it. Anyways, I don’t like watching lesbian porn videos, but I wouldn’t mind watching real passionate sex between females and I wouldn’t mind watching my girl and another female and maybe joining in. But I do like watching male gay porn. I have been with men before and it never turned me on, I never enjoyed a man inside me and touching me. Sometimes I wish I had a penis so I can do my girl. Some of this doesn’t make sense to me but I can’t help what I like, I guess it is what it is :)

  65. Paula A says:

    Some very interesting comments on this. For me, porn is a love and hate situation. I love it because I came to terms with my sexuality and I learnt a lot which my fiancee never coplains about.

    Finding pure lesbian porn, I find hard to look for, you get so many sites dedicated to men showing women really enjoying lady loving from other ladies… their expressions are just… lovely… *pfft*

    when I do find real good lesbian porn… I use it for education purposes :D

    Gay porn never does it for me, the look of men and penis does not leave a good feeling in me. I have been with men and never enjoyed it.

    everyone has their different turn ons and that. If it works for them, then good on them, just as long as it doesn’t harm others :)

  66. Deb says:

    Hi-Gotta say I have always watched gay male porn…underwent horrible abusive behavior by a girlfriend for watching it as she claimed I must be “straight”..let’s face it..hot bodies and an act you can actually see and know is not faked goes a long way…though Bren…I will most definitely check out your site!! As good female lesbian porn is a rare commodity…and having someone to share your “fetish” with is also a very important thing as being made fun of foe “who you are” is simply not acceptable…we are all sexual beings…enjoy everyone life is too short to worry about “society”…

  67. Kam says:

    I’m a lesbian who does NOT love gay man porn. I like butch/femme porn but two men does nothing for me. The straight women pretending to be lesbian porn equally does nothing. Crash pad kind of lesbian porn is pretty hot though. It is really hard to find decent lesbian porn.

  68. geri says:

    To Kam and others.

    Shine Louise Houston, the director of Crash Pad Seies loves gay man porn – or fag porn as she calls it – so much that she’s started making it for her new website Heavenly Spire. Fag porn is what first inspired her to make dyke porn.

    Most of the women on Crash Pad don’t identify as lesbian. There are currently more transmen on the site than butch identified women – there are even some cisgendered queer men. Most of the femmes on Crash Pad also do the sort of femme/femme girl-girl lesbian porn the it sounds like you are all to ready to dismiss as straight women pretending to be lesbian type porn.

    Madison Young for example – who identifies as queer – which in her case means she has sex with all genders – and enjoys it. Madison also directs porn – and, along with Shine, is one of the handful of women I know of who has produced some queer male-male porn scenes.

    In fact all the women I know of who’ve produced/directed “gay man” porn are queer women. Mr Pam is the best know in the “mainstream” gay porn industry. She is bisexual identified but she only makes gay (male) porn.

    There are heaps of women working in porn who are neither straight(heterosexual) or gay(homosexual).

  69. Debs Uk says:

    well, I have alays been lesbian, but I love the visual aspect of gay male porn…so much more to see! love watching a guy play with his cock, especially if its big, and watch him shoot his load..i am just jealous,wish it was me….. it gets me very very wet….
    but i have nodesire to see or do this in real life! love cum shots and masturbation–solo guys… is this odd??!! would love to meet another woman with whom i could share this love…. and have lots of fun!!

  70. Gray says:

    I too have to agree with the article somewhat. I do enjoy porn and out of all of my porn bookmarks, 90% is ‘Fag porn’. I hardly find lesbian porn convincing, but when I do it’s added to the bookmark! I sometimes find lesbian porn a drag and instead of being turned on, I’m turned off and shouting expletives at the screen, ‘**** That’s not how you do it!!!’ There is something about Fag porn that definitely turns me on, their big dicks, the sheer look of enjoyment on their faces and the f******! I don’t feel any shame as this has been confirmed by fellow lesbian friends of mine and i have no desire whatsover to reenact those scenes with any dude. My gf will definitely get it tho!!

  71. Elwyn Eranel Melatos says:

    i’m physically male but i think female, act it and want to be it but i’m aroused by male action(which is hot)but after one i get turned off, yaoi is the best though. All of you girls are just plain awesome, even if i look male i vouch for females and always keep my distance from those rude males. I also find no love in porn.

  72. Kay says:

    Reason we watch porn thts because we all wanna knw hw thy make love n second as a human being w all gt turned on by lil nakedness jst tht we choose to ignore it

  73. Kyra says:

    Couldn’t agree with the second paragraph of this article more…I personally think “fake” lesbian porn is just painful to watch…it’s so forced and awkward, not sexy at all. So glad other people think so! Also the 4th paragraph – it’s so alarming when people are practically getting beaten up and shouted at in porn – such a turn off!

  74. Stephanie Romero Diaz says:

    I am a lesbian; but I do enjoy watching gay porn. The women in lesbian porn, look so bored and uninterested; but in gay male porn, the men look excited and turned on, so that’s why I watch it. I am not ashamed by the fact that it turns me on, that it gets me “wet”.

  75. Tim says:

    I love this article, it has answered so many questions for me.
    (as did the responses).

    I am a married gay man that has been with my husband for 14 years. (we met at uni).
    and last night we were watching “the kids are alright”, (well, at least I was, while my husband was sitting there mostly playing warcraft, lol)
    and right off the bat is the scene with the gay porn.. I just did not understand, but I knew if they used this in the movie that it served a very real purpose in the real world.
    and honestly all I could say was damn they have the same taste in gay porn I do!! (70′s classics & unshaved men).
    and later on when they explained why they watch it I was off my seat because it was not only profound it is also the absolute truth and made complete sense.
    there is degusting gay for pay porn that makes me feel exactly that way,(like the ones with the beautiful young eastern block guys pretending to enjoy it up the butt). it’s repulsive to watch.
    thanks for this article.

    tim

  76. Tim says:

    and for the poster truthbetold
    you would not know the truth if it beat you over the head with a 14″ glass vibrator!! let alone anything about the psychology involved in arousal!!

  77. Christie says:

    I’m a gay woman, and this all seems completely bizarre to me. It’s up there with gimp suits and gas masks in terms of incomprehensible fetishes.

    The explanations don’t ring true either.

    1) Men can fake erections – it’s called Viagra. it’s very common in the porn industry because it cuts down on wait time.

    2) Go watch a documentary by Louis Theroux on the gay male porn industry and you’ll see the real face of unhappy, insecure actors (some of whom are straight) doing gay male porn.

    Happy male sex-worker vs. unhappy female sex-worker who is borne out of another one of those patriarchal falsehoods – women only have sex begrudgingly.

    None of it is true when you examine it up close. I’m sure there are female pornstars who enjoy making lesbian porn, and plenty of male pornstars who hate making gay male porn… as well as the traditional stereotypes.

    3) Only the roleplaying, vicarious, taboo aspect of it sounds like it makes any sense, but even then I won’t be watching gay male porn. I just don’t find male bodies remotely attractive.

  78. xham says:

    what i’ve always found interesting is that i’m 100% lesbian, dated one man once, horrible. but i prefer hetero porn or solo females. it’s just always been weird to me that i can enjoy hetero porn. however, gay male porn is a no for me.

  79. clematis says:

    Don’t watch much porn, but watch some. Am a gold star lesbian, I have no interest in sex with men. I have watched male/male porn and enjoy it for a few reasons:

    1. No women involved, so the issue of the sexual exploitation of women by men is moot.
    2. As a femme lesbian, butch cock (on my dearly beloved married wife) is one happy aspect of my sexual life. Sans the sexual exploitation of women by men issue, the most available “cock” action is in male/male porn.
    3. There is less “story line” in most male/male porn, and I am grateful for it – Bad writing is a horror worse that bad acting.
    4. As a viewer of porn, I have no illusions about the romantic or political lives of the performers in any porn, they are the “talent”, and that’s their field of work. I wish everyone to be paid fairly for their work, including women who work for Walmart.
    5. Whatever turns you on is what turns you on. I am a lesbian because I love women exclusively and like to have sex with women exclusively, and because I say so; what I read or watch or wear or eat should be irrelevant to you. You might consider me a “bad” lesbian, but really, who isn’t.

  80. Shannon1981 says:

    New here, but found this far too interesting not to comment. I love writing fan fiction of gay male porn. I also like watching it. Here’s why: I cannot get over the idea that most so called lesbian porn was meant for straight men, not lesbians.Everything else in the world is for straight people, even our porn! That is anger inducing, not a turn on. Also, it’s a real turn off to think of women being objectified and exploited in any way, and with the absence of women in gay male porn, this simply isn’t an issue. This does not mean I want to have sex with men, it means that I can appreciate the lust between two men just I can appreciate it between two women. Nothing wrong with that IMO, and it eliminates the issues that arise with women in porn.

  81. Jane says:

    Gay male and gay female real sex (not fake porn) is similar. Since gay women have anal, and use dildos, we watch for the same reason others watch, to learn new sex positions and techniques. I would not want to do any of it with a man, only a woman, so I am a lesbian.

  82. Jamie says:

    Seriously? sorry to tell you this, but Lesbians don’t love gay(male) sex by definition… I have nothing against any porn but come on, don’t call yourself a lesbian if you get hot watching men together, without women. If you decide that lesbian porn sucks so bad that you’d rather just watch men then I call bullshit on your lesbianism.

    Sure some lesbian porn is bad but I can’t help but laugh at any so called “lesbians” who say they do not watch porn with women because they cannot help but imagine the women are being objectified or their only doing it for the men. The first reason I find insulting(grow up if you think everyone is trying to oppress women in porn). As for the second one, you have an imagination, use it! Those are both such petty reasons anyway. I have seen plenty of great lesbian sex videos out there (and solo videos/images with women sooooo hot they will turn any lesbian or straight guy into a drooling mess), and yes many of them likely aimed at men. If you can not find any you like then I suggest that you do not prefer women on the level that you think you do. don’t let your lesbianism simply be a political statement. Be honest about your own sexuality and don’t pretend you don’t like men when you clearly do. I don’t want to sound harsh or hurt anyone’s feelings but the premise of this article is a bit ridiculous. I just want you all to be honest and accept your true sexualities.

  83. Emma says:

    Jamie-
    There are no words for how completely igorant that comment was.

  84. Josy says:

    Emma: I can probably think of a few, but I’m going to settle for asking why it’s so damned important for Jamie to police other people’s self-identification.

  85. Jamie says:

    listen hon, There’s nothing wrong with watching a little gay porn out of curiosity and claiming you’re still a lesbian, but to say you “love” gay porn as a lesbian is a straight up contradiction. Let’s be honest here. Gay men would not take pleasure in watching two women having sex.

    I’m also sick of women saying they’re all for the ladies but the next thing you know they’re off with a man. This article flaunts that wannabe lesbian attitude that makes me sick to my stomach and perpetuates the myth that lesbians are just waiting for the right man to come along.

    I’m not telling anyone what to call themselves because I couldn’t care less about what you say you are. I am telling you what’s accurate and what’s hogwash. I would think this would be painfully obvious to any lesbian reading this article, but I guess not…

  86. Emma says:

    You are not in any position to tell me, or anyone else, “what’s accurate”. What you watch and what you do in real life can be completely different. One may enjoy watching cooking shows but he/she doesn’t cook in real life? Does that make them a cook? Absolutely not.

    Just because lesbians enjoy watching gay porn doesn’t mean they’re straight. I am completely insulted by you saying that. The reasons stated above as to why lesbians enjoy gay porn are totally logical. You, on the other hand, are not taking into account the fluidity of sexuality.

    I will always love women. I will date them. I will have sex with them. And one day I will be married to one.I will never date a man. But that does NOT mean I cannot enjoy gay porn. There is more fluidity in sexuality than rigidity, and you aren’t seeing that.

  87. Emma says:

    And if you, Jamie, are a lesbian. I can’t believe something so narrow minded is coming from your mouth. If you’re a straight man or woman, gtfo. You can’t decide how lesbians feel.

  88. Jamie says:

    Emma,I would not say those reasons are completely logical. I guess that doesn’t mean there are no reasons why lesbians would watch gay porn though. I see the taboo factor being the most prominent.

    I never said watching gay porn makes a lesbian straight, nor do I think that, so I do not know where you’re getting that from, but maybe “loving” gay porn makes her a bisexual much of the time. You’re imagining me as being more extreme than I am I assure you.

    In the end, maybe you are right to call yourself a lesbian if you are sincere about not wanting a relationship with a man. So I can understand the pragmatism of using that label. You still like men though :p, and you still have bisexual leanings. The screen does not magically change one’s sexual desires simply because you have yet to act on a fantasy.

  89. Cath says:

    How can you read this article and these comments and come up with such bullsh*t Jamie? The article addresses a phenomenon that apparently appeals to many gay women. It’s not like you first started watching gay men porn and then decided to be attracted to women :s These things evolve in a long process and for you to claim to know out of all these different people who is attracted to women and/or men is just ridiculous.

  90. Flourish says:

    I like Gay porn alot but I am not caught up in the fantasy of the realism. Let’s call a spade a spade. It’s quite obvious cock rings are in use therefore hard on’s are fake, the stars of the shows are more than likely sniffing poppers or something stronger to keep their stamina. It’s adult pantomine and giving it more grandeur than straight porn is a little small minded. Flicking through The Karma Sutra Book can be just as equally arousing.

  91. Jamie says:

    Cath, you are correct that I cannot know anyone’s sexuality from front to back for certain. I also understand that for most women sexual orientation is defined much more liberally than it is for men. In fact many more lesbians than gay men see their own sexual orientation as a choice rather than biological. I can only assume you must be able to see this as it is quite blatant in our society. It makes perfect sense to suggest then that maybe some or many of these “lesbians by choice” are still biologically aroused my men, maybe more so than women. Can I not even suggest that without being called an idiot?

  92. Flourish says:

    Jamie, Lesbians by choice comment is a comment to far. Gay porn is voyeurism. If I listened to classical music I would not identify myself as an opera singer however much the music stirred emotions and desires in me. Also some lesbians have a stronger biological clock/maternal instict, it does not mean they are a closet bixsexual. It could mean they value a family life and companioship more than finding their perfect lover or soul mate.

  93. gina says:

    Thank you for this. I am a lesbian in a relationship. We both watch porn together, but I have turned more to the gay male porn. B4 reading this I thought I was the only 1. I just want to start w/ I was confused to why but when my girlfriend confronted me, those where just about all the same answers. Unfortunately she is not satisfied & feels I want men.

  94. Samantha Ontario says:

    I do at times enjoy watching men giving oral to each other, no twinks, masculine men. And let’s keep in mind that most men in gay porn are not gay. Gay porn pays!!! So the thought that all these manly men walk around and portray that they are the straightest things walking and turn around and suck one down for some cash is a bit exciting.

  95. me says:

    I like to watch porn involving girls only – lesbian or solo girl stuff. OK so it’s obvious that at least a big percentage of them are straight (I’m sure some must be bi at least, though I don’t know of any), and some are very unattractive – but actually SOME are attractive, and also some of it is appealing. I’m bisexual, but I’m just more turned on by seeing hot naked women, in general (though guys in real life can be a different matter). Each to their own, though.

  96. jackie says:

    i’m bi (more into women) and definitely enjoy gay male porn, but the guys have to look a certain way. not too muscley. i *cannot* stand watching girl/girl porn and you can tell they aren’t into each other and are just trying to turn on their male audience. gross. the art of kissing is an okay girl/girl dvd series. some of the girls have major chemistry. i prefer watching lesbian romance movies…they turn me on more than ANYTHING. :)

  97. Hx says:

    I have been with my current Mrs, nearly 20yrs, and have just found that gay porn is exiting!!! I will no longer feel like an oddball for enjoying it! I do however find proper lesbian sex incredibly arousing,you know the sort,real gals having fun like any of us.The one bizzare thing is that I am sure that my estranged mother is in one lesbian clip i saw on a dyke website……well she sure changed her tune!!!!!

  98. Hugh Merme says:

    Fascinating stuff. As a gay man, it’s hard for me to wrap my head around being able to get turned on by lesbian porn (seen plently of it in straight porn, but never so much as a twitch down there). When I saw that scene in The Kids are Alright, I thought it must be really offensive to lesbians, then I found out the director herself was gay and now this article.

    I am curious though, b/c it seems like a lot of commenters here say they like gay man porn partly b/c of a lack of a better alternative. How much is your preference for m/m porn shaped by previous experience of what’s out there, and how much of it is a ‘primal’ (for lack of a better word) attraction to the masculine form in front of you?
    I know some of you mentioned that the act itself was a turn on regardless of gender, but being a gay man with no hetero leanings, I can watch two women make out and have sex, even find it fascinating, but not to the point of being able to “rub one out” to the sight of it.

    I apologize if anything I’ve said is offensive, but I’m just really curious. I often watch straight porn, but for me that too is shaped by previous experience with gay-for-pay (watching a straight guy try to suck dick is painful) and it’s also easier to see the penetration (having written that last sentence I realize it must sound ridiculous to lesbians but trust me, with gay guys it’s all about the cock). But even with straight porn the woman is not really a factor to me; how she looks is irrelevant and if she moans too loudly I just turn the sound down.
    To some degree I can sort of undertand. I often find women’s bodies to be attractive, even sexually so, but it’s a different attraction. I guess it’s kind of like all those straight guys at the gym who work out in front of a mirror; they look like they’re practically making out with their reflections. It’s being fascinated by something sexually appealing but not having that “primal lust”/”weak at the knees” reaction to it.

  99. Marshall says:

    Hugh. I’ve never met a gay man with any interest in lesbian sex either, which is why I think lesbianism is defined more narrowly as well as heterosexuality for women than it is for a man(certainly doesn’t apply to all women though.) I’ve met some women who claim to be lesbians yet they clearly like or even prefer men biologically speaking.

    Reading through the comments here, I’d say most of you are bisexual in my book(or at least according to my man standards. :) )

  100. Krad says:

    I an a Bisexual married man, I know you all most likely are thinking what is he doing here. But I happen to love real lesbian porn and I also LOVE gay porn but most of the so called lesbian porn on the internet is as y’all know is fake. But then there is the other kind of real lesbian porn or maybe real bi-porn and that is newbie amature lesbian porn. I love to watch real amatures just do what they want to do and know what makes them feel good. I have 2 friends that have been lesbians since they were very young and they have lived together for many years as lesbian lovers and we get together and watch real lesbian porn and real amature lesbian porn and also real gay male porn and they tell me that they prefer amature lesbian porn first and then gay male porn second. we have gay parties over at there house from time to time and the lesbians will of course have lesbian sex and us boys will have gay sex but while we have our little gay gang bangs all the lesbians seem to stop what they are doing and watch us do what we are doing. When we all have cum and need some refreshment we all mingle and talk about everything including what the women just saw, and I have never heard any of the women say they were grossed out or not tunrned on by us. We didn’t do it for them, we did it for us, but most gay and bi men like to have staright women, bi women, or lesbian women watching while we have sex but we really like to have other guys of any sexual orientation watch us and then talk to us about what it feels like to have sex with another man.
    As far as keeping Real Lesbian Porn around for a long time I don’t see why there aren’t some real lesbians that would get a fairly good digital video camera and have some of your lesbian or gay friends film you haveing real lesbian sex and post it on places like Xhamsters.com, Nxxn.com, FuQ.com and many other free porn sites mostly for straight men and Bisexual men and women and SheMales and of course a very few lesbians.

  101. Anonymus says:

    By my standards…if a lesbian watches gay male-on-male porn, then she is BISEXUAL.

    Sorry if this breaks your little lesbian hearts, but if you like to watch gay men fuck each other in the assholes & give blowjobs & love to watch thier dicks get nice & wet, then you aren’t a lesbian! You’re a BISEXUAL…because deep down, you still crave cock

  102. Anonymus says:

    You’d figure because they are lesbians they would love the same thing men like. I mean, I’m a man & I watch a ton of lesbian & solo porn, & I know not all if it is real. But who cares? I love boobs & I love vagina.

    Damn lesbians, loving what they hate, curse them all!!!

  103. Claire says:

    Erm, Anonymus, I’m not sure *watching* and *craving* are really the same thing. I like to *watch* eastenders, it doesn’t mean I crave a flat in Albert Square.

  104. sam says:

    I like to watch porn with men in it but that doesn’t mean that I want to have sex with a man. I love women I just wish there was better lesbian porn were they aren’t spitting at each others lady parts, what the hell is that all about!!!

  105. Heyitsme says:

    Couple things here.
    1. This article is pretty accurate with the porn references.
    2. I love gay porn
    3. I am a lesbian
    4. The “siva” person above me is just dumb. Like, how did they stumble upon this website to write about how we are all abominations? Did they just sit down one day and google as many “gay” things they could think of? Ugh. I’m so over the bible thumping freaks who try to scare us straight with religion.
    5. Anywho. Great article again. I feel less like a weirdo now that I know there is a ton of other people who think like myself. :) thanks for that.

  106. admin says:

    @heyitsme – we’ve taken out the comment you’re referring to, as it was against our comments policy. Apologies for letting it slip through the net in the first place!

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